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trump has a flurry of meetings for his white house and cabinet. as he he builds his team, trump is showing he's willing to knock down barriers. after meeting with arch critic mitt romney as contender for secretary of state, now word trump is considering a democrat for another high-level spot, hawaii congresswoman, tulsi gabbard. moments ago gabbard revealed some details about her meeting with the future president. i'm going to turn to cnn's jessica schneider outside of trump tower. what did the two talk about? what details have you learned? >> reporter: it was back in october when donald trump said he would not consider putting a democrat into his cabinet. could he be changing his tune? there's some talk that hawaii congresswoman tulsi gabbard could be under consideration for several position, secretary of defense, secretary of state. gabbard was a member of the hawaii national guard. she served two tours of duty in the middle east. as such, she used this meeting
with president-elect trump to discuss policy in syria as well as the war on terror against isis and al qaeda. in fact, after her meeting, she released a very terse and pointed statement. in part, she says, i felt it important to take the opportunity to meet with the president-elect now before the drum beats of war that neocons have been beating drag us into an escalation, a war which has cost hundreds of thousands of lives. while the rules of political expediency would say i should refuse to meet with president-elect trump, i never have and never will play politics with american and syrian lives. she also went on to say she does disagree with president-elect trump and she's not afraid to voice those disagreements. as we heard from kellyanne conway today, not all these meetings inside trump tower are
about job interviews. saying, donald trump is welcoming the chance to talk with many people of many different perspectives and hear them express their opinions as well. >> tulsi gabbard not the only democrat. he also met with michelle rhee recently. sitting down with top executives and anchors from major news networks, including cnn. with me to discuss, brian stelter. brian, you also host cnn's "reliable sources," get that plug in there. why the meeting and who was there? >> i just got back from trump tower and most of the journalists who attended are respecting the off the record adpreement. yell ann conway organized this meeting, said it went excellent, went over an hour. people like cnn's wolf blitzer, nbc's chuck todd and lester holt, martha raddatz, and executives from top networks.
this was put together -- we all remember trump's anti-media crusade during the campaign. and trump has long-term relationships with tv executives and anchors. he's a creature of new york media. this meeting was to set a new tone and establish what it's going to be like going forward. you recall there's been some issues about lack of media access to trump. for example, the so-called press pool that is not always been with him when he travels around -- either around new york or other places. well, according to a source that was in the meeting, there was real progress made on that issue of media access. don't know much more than that. so far, like i said, journalists respecting the off-the-record agreement. so our viewers know at home, it's not unusual or unprecedented for journalists to meet with presidents or presidents-electricity off the record. it happened last night when president obama was talking back from peru, he talked to journalists off the record, which means they can't share what he said. but i heard there was progress
made on the issue of media access. >> makes you wonder if there will be friendly relations between donald trump and the media covering him in terms of him giving access that the media wants and has historically been given to cover presidents. >> that's right. i think there's always going to be hostility, always going to be some adversarial relationships here. it helps to be eye to eye with the person and explain why we need the access we need. >> brian, thanks so much for giving us that glimpse into the meeting. much to discuss at this hour. i've got the lead political editor for npr news and cnn political reporter sara murray. let's start with what brian reported, the press. jeremy and sara, ivanka sitting in on trump's meeting with japanese prime minister. we would not have known about these meetings if it wasn't from pictures with foreign press or government. what does this tell you about press access in a trump administration? sara, to you first.
>> i think it means we're not seeing the level of transparency we would hope to see at this point. i think there are still big questions. there are things the obama administration did that were voluntary that the trump administration may not do. we're waiting to see how far they're willing to go. it's alarming he still doesn't have a fully protective pool. it's alarming we're not getting full readouts of the people he's meeting with, especially at a time where there are a lot of questions about how donald trump is going to juggle the transition process as well as his business. he has not made this full step back that his transition team has insisted he's going to do. >> jeremy -- >> yeah, on the -- >> go ahead. >> i would just say on the flip side, we're seeing donald trump doing his cabinet decision-making in very public view, you know. he is not necessarily providing a lot of access as far as what's going on within those meetings but we're soog him bring these potential cabinet picks, in bedminster or lobby of trump tower, parading them in front of
the cameras, which is an at apprentice" style, like he did during the vice president selection as well. >> it makes you think back to when president obama -- at the time president-elect obama met with hillary clinton and it was all under wraps and he snuck her in. really tried to tamp down any speculation. seems like just the opposite is happening here with president-elect trump. >> well, clearly there's a degree of public relations going on. i think president-elect trump, whether or not he offers the job of secretary of state to mitt romney, it at least is something for him to be able to play off of all of us and show the country that he can be, quoeshgts magazine n quote, magnanomous, and i'm willing to dial it back. mike pence said it was very serious. we'll wind up having to see who he winds up offering it to. we know rudy giuliani, who he was meeting with, also really
wants the secretary of state job. he's been pretty loyal to donald trump, so he's probably the good money on who will get it. >> and i know you've been talking to many sources that are in the know on the transition process. can you give us a sense on how seriously he's taking some of these prospects such as democrat tulsi gabbard, such as mitt romney, some of these people who you may not have expected initially for donald trump to consider? >> well, i think there's certainly concern even among some people going into these meetings that this could just be a head fake and donald trump's transition team has made it clear, yes, some of these meetings are just for information-gathering, to learn more about how other people view the world and how you build a government. but i was told by a source this morning that tulsi gabbard is a person they're actually considering for defense secretary, for secretary of state, for a possible u.n. ambassador. now, the question is always, do you get past that line of consideration to actually pulling the trigger and naming one of these people to a cabinet position? because right now what we've seen are a lot of hard liners, a
lot of donald trump loyalists and a lot of, frankly, older white men who are being put into these positions. we have not seen donald trump actually name one of these folks who would be considered outside the box for him yet to a cabinet level slot. >> and you have to think, not only would he potentially offer the job to someone like tulsi gabbard, but would she take the job? there's sort of two sides to this. and you look at the meeting with mitt romney. we're told by mike pence he's under serious consideration, jeremy, but they could not have more different views when it comes to foreign policy. trump wants a relationship with putin. romney and his run called russia the u.s.'s most geopolitical foe. how do you bridge that gap? >> it's certainly difficult to imagine how donald trump and mitt romney could reconcile those views, particularly on russia. mitt romney staked a big part of his campaign on the fact that russia was about to become the number one geopolitical foe of the united states. in many way he was vindicated of
that years later. trump has gone the opposite way saying he wants closer relations with russia. in a world where russia is central to a lot of decisions, whether it's with regard to syria or iran or middle east ornate toe, it's hard to imagine how donald trump would be able to appoint someone like mitt romney, whose views are so antithetical to his. but mitt romney meeting with a party leader who rebuked him during the campaign, that and in itself will go a long way to help donald trump not only heal the republican party but put forward a good face. >> before i get back to you, i want to ask sara, what's the deal with chris christie? is he back in the picture now? what's going on? >> i feel like what's the deal with chris christie could be a question that has a different answer every day of the week. we've seen every iteration of
this soap opera drama between the two gentlemen. look, there's no sdoubt that the relations were frayed and raw last week, the week before that. folks in chris christie's orbit did feel like jared kushner was on this personal vendetta and folks involved in the transition would agree with that. folks involved in the trump transition and donald trump were insisting there were concerns about the fallout from bridgegate, about the way christie transitioned it, but the fact they met in person, the fact he he went to see donald trump over the weekend, maybe that's the beginning of a thaw. i happen to imagine if you're christie it would be bruising to be booted out of that slot. president obama on his foreign trip has said he's confident he'll see another democratic president in his lifetime. he also said he would be somewhat of a check on trump. how does he do that, pick up the phone, call trump? what does he mean by that?
>> i think it's a delicate balance for president obama because he's somebody who wants to have donald trump's ear to at least try to influence him slightly. we've seen that donald trump listens to the last person who is in the room. you saw for five years donald trump tried to delegitimize president obama, called on him to release his birth certificate. and then after he meets with him, what wound up being a pretty good meeting between the two, or at least a greeshs meeting, he said he's a very good man. president obama can't completely thwack at every pass or he'll lose that influence. it's a fine line he has to walk. but when he says donald trump violates what he calls core principles he'll speak out. >> interesting discussion with you three. thank you. up next his nickname is mad dog and he's known for his salty
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. a man nicknamed mad dog could soon be secretary of defense. retired general james mattis, with donald trump calling him, quote, the real deal. and a man known for telling it like it is. >> if the president orders us into action, i have what it takes to make it the enemy longest day and their worst day. >> actually it's quite fun to fight, you know, front. >> i've always spoken my own mind. i've done it enough it's a privilege to be invited here because it's a privilege to be invited in front of my mril company anymore after some of the things i've said. >> and join meg now to discuss is retired army major james
spyder marks and former cia operative. thank you for coming on. general marks, first to you. i think there's a lot of curiosity about what he would do as secretary of fence. what's his appetite for war? will he be in favor of more troops in syria? what can you tell us? >> i would say he brings to the table a deep understanding of the sacrifices of what the young men and women in uniform looks like. i think he would be cautious about the commitment of the military but he's not bashful about when you are committed, you're committed to, quote, win the fight. and you have to define what winning looks like. jim mattis is a very no-nonsense leader. i think that's what the defense department needs. i would say in simple terms, less emphasis on administration. there are enough folks that can administer and run the organization and more on
leadership and shoring up a relationship with all those elements of power this nation brings to bear as well as the administration. >> and he may have a bit of a hurdle, right, because it hasn't been seven years since he's been out of uniform. what can you tell us about that and his congressional waiver? >> probably not a big deal. i think certainly there is always political capital that needs to be expended in order to get these things done. george marshall was his predecessor. kind of a very remarkable precedent that was set there and he assumed the secretary of defense after five years of being out of uniform. but that's not really the issue. the issue is this is not the long pole in the tent. he's the right guy to command or to lead the defense department and i think there's sufficient galvanized support in our senate to make that happen. >> on both sides of the aisle. this year mattis said the iran nuclear agreement was just a temporary delay to iran's request for a nuclear weapon. now it shows the obama
administration has been considering new efforts since before the election to shore up parts of the iran nuclear deal. bob, could mattis potentially oversee the undoing of this deal? and what are the potential dangers in doing so? >> well, general mattis, i agree. he's a good choice. in fact, he's a great choice. i want to see a four-star general in there who has combat experience, understands the middle east. he's not going to go into a confrontation lightly with iran. he knows what he's up against. he's been in iraq. he's seen their involvement in that war. he is no-nonsense. if we change that agreement, he's the guy at the pentagon that's going to add some real common sense to it. you look at the rest of the administration, it seems they really do want to undo that agreement and take on iran. >> we'll have to see what happens. i want to sort of switch gears for a minute. general marks, and talk about torture. i want to listen to john mccain, himself a victim of torture,
with a very different take than the soon-to-be vice president mike pence. >> i don't give a damn what the president of the united states wants to do or any anybody else wants to do. we will not waterboard. we will not torture. my god, what -- what does it say about america if we're going to inflict torture on people? >> well, i have great respect for senator mccain and what i can tell you is going forward, as he outlined in that famous speech in ohio, that a president donald trump is going to focus on confronting radical terrorists as a threat to this country. we're going to have a president again who will never say what we'll never do. >> so, general, i want to bring you back in. torture is illegal. it's been found ineffective. do you think we'll see a return of interrogation techniques that had been phased out? >> were we to move down this path, we would have a major
problem between an an administration saying this is now a policy that's authorized and then those that have to execute that policy. because at the end of the day, the individuals who are involved in torture, involved in some form of -- let's call it waterboarding. there's a defense between torture and waterboarding. i don't want to lump it all together. the problem is the individuals that would do that would then be potentially held legally liable for those actions that they performed. separate from the organization or the agency they're a part of. they wouldn't be wrapped and protected in any type of legal protection as a result of their actions. so you might have an administration that says, we're going to do it. have you the guys on the ground saying, we're not going there. >> bob, you were in the cia. what kind of response do you think we'd see from the intelligence community if these kind of torture tactics were in play or waterboarding was in play, whether that was to be readopted? what do you think the reaction would be? >> it wouldn't be good.
the cia is against torture, they went through this, internal documents at the cia have stated very clearly it doesn't work. and also they're being held liable for this. the cia will resist strongly to this. and i just don't think it's going to go anywhere because you're not going to get the rank and file to go along with this. and i belief at some point the administration's going to have to back down, but let's wait to see. >> bob baer, general marks, thank you for sharing your perspectives. a shocking string of violence. four police officers shot in separate incidents in a span of 24 hours. the manhunt is still on for the suspect who open fire on an san antonio officer as he sat in his patrol car. we're live with details on who investigators are looking for. anything else to talk about.hs but then i realized there was. so, i finally broke the silence with my doctor about what i was experiencing.
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four cities, four officers shot all within a 24-hour period. the shootings happened in san antonio, st. louis and gladstone, missouri, as well as sanibel, florida. in the san antonio shooting a 24-year veteran of the police force lost his life. now detectives are trying to track down benjamin marconi, the 58th officer killed in the line of duty just this year. this is a picture of the suspect. investigators say he walked into police headquarters, asked a desk clerk a question, left, and then hours later can killed marconi right outside the police station. he shot him in the head as the detective was sitting in his patrol car writing a ticket.
>> absolutely targeted. i think the uniform was the target. and anyone -- first person who happened along was the person that he targeted. we have pulled out all the stops. we have engaged our federal partners, our state partners and our local partners in the search for this individual. the search has gone on since we started yesterday afternoon and has not stopped all night and will not stop until this person is in custody. >> cnn law phone ersment analyst art roderick joins me now. you have this suspect walking into the police station hours before killing the officer. what do you make of this? >> well, i agree with the chief on this particular point that the detective was targeted simply because he was in
uniform. looks like these other shootings you related to were targeted strictly because the officer was wearing a law enforcement uniform. the numbers are staggering this year. i think we're upwards of 60 police officers -- i know you mentioned 58, but i include territorial police, police on reservations, campus police. there's about 60 that are listed on the national law enforcement memorial that have been killed this year, which is up from 38 from last year. that's a 70% increase in law enforcement shootings this year, but also ambush-style shootings are up upwards of 150 to 160% and compared to last year. >> at this point, and it's still very early, there is no evidence to suggest the shootings are connected, art. but how do investigators go from here, coordinating their efforts in trying to figure out what happened in this 24-hour span and why? >> i mean, when you look at just this 24-hour span, on november
18th there was also a u.s. marshal pat carrethers shot and killed in georgia, executing an arrest warranty against a violent fugitive. you have all these shootings -- five incidents back-to-back. the information put out about the san antonio shooter, there's a lot of information law enforcement has put out. his photograph, incident prior to the shooting, his getaway vehicle. so, there's a lot of information they have put out to the public. and i know there's going to be phone calls coming in and they're going through those phone calls and they've got a lot of law enforcement agencies assisting them that once they come up with an identity on this particular individual, they'll have him in custody fairly quickly. >> going back to pat carrethers, who you mentioned, that hits home for you, right, because you knew him personally? >> yes. the law enforcement family is a tight-knit community and pat worked on the southeast regional task force. in fact, he was the deputy commander. and they were going to arrest an individual that shot at law
enforcement with an ak-47. pat, unfortunately, gave his life protecting the community there in georgia. and i'll tell you, he was a great law enforcement professional and a public safety whose life was dedicated to public safety. he instilled that in his five children that oe left behind, two older sons. two are graduates of the naval academy and his third son is a freshman although the naval academy in annapolis, maryland. >> our hearts go out to them and to you for losing a friend. lastly, what advice do you have for law enforcement officers across the country after these four separate attacks in 24 hours? as you mention, i think there's more than 60% increase in deaths of law enforcement this year compared to last year. >> it's really becoming an epidemic. it's the ambush that is really the crime here. these law enforcement officers
are either sitting in their krirsz, or as you saw in dallas and baton rouge, picked off by sniper-type killings. law enforcement ramps up, as they did after dallas and baton rouge in these police cruisers to prevent these killings but there's not much they can do there. they're actually sitting ducks inside their cruisers. they have to be very careful about individuals approaching them, but they're there to serve the public, and, unfortunately, the public, you know, when you look at these individuals that shot these police officers basically sniped at them or walked up and shot them while doing their job in kooeeeping t public safe out there. >> it makes you wonder what jeff sessions f confirmed, will be the chief law enforcement officer in the country what he will do to end this kind of think. art, thank you very much. up next, the president-elect trump taking to twitter to defend his $25 million settlement over trump
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president-elect trump has agreed to pay $25 million to settle lawsuits against trump university and now the biggest question has to be, why? why did trump agree to settle the case when all along he adamantly and repeatedly said he would not? look at this video released by trump during the campaign. >> it's something i could have settled numerous times. i just don't believe in settling, especially when you're right. when i'm like about something, i like to go to court, so i'll go to court. >> but, trump did settle in what
prosecutors and attorneys for the over 6,000 plaintiffs call a major victory. >> it really is a great result. everybody who was enrolled in this school and wants their money back will get over half their money back, at a minimum and, perhaps, up to all of their money back. we're very pleased with the outcome. we were at each other's throat for 6 1/2 years and we were able to find the common ground with them and do something good here. >> i'm joined by cnn senior investigative correspondent drew griffin and cnn legal analyst and former prosecutor paul cowen. paul, $25 million to over 6,000 victims. in your eyes, who got the best deal here? >> i think the students got a great deal here because, frankly, if you do the math on this, the average student paid $1400 or $1500 for the course.
this means they're all getting their money back and a lot of them are getting all of their money back. and, really, it would almost be the gross revenues of the trump university. it would be like suing gm for a class-action with regard to fraud and students have to give up their annual income for the year. it's a big number. i think the students did well. trump did well -- trump had his reasons, though, because, frankly, this thing would have caused him to show up at a trial in the middle of his presidency. he could have been hit for as much as $150 million if he took it to trial. so, there's a little bit of a win on both sides. >> we'll get to that in a minute. first, i want us to all listen to what trump's incoming chief of staff said about the settlement and then we'll talk more about that. >> when the presidency hits you and it's at your front door and you realize that you're president of the united states for all americans, there are some things that are important to you and some things you decide, let's move on.
we're not admitting wrongdoing and let's start leading this country without distraction. that's what you're seeing. i think that americans should look at this as a real positive sign about what kind of great president he is going to be and how he wants to lead this country. >> drew, is there anything left in the trump university case that dems could take advantage of to hurt or slow the trump presidency or as of now is it moot? >> i think it's moot. they tried. you heard the plaintiff's attorney. this has been going on for 6 1/2 years. the school closed in 2010. and, remember, pamela, you know it was the republicans that first tried to use this against their opponents in the primaries. didn't work for them then. didn't work for the democrats. except for some cheap shots going forward when discussing education issues in congress, i don't see this as lingering. i think he really did set this aside. >> that's a fair point. paul, so under this agreement, trump will not admit fault, but it raises the question, are there still ways for any of
those students to come after the president-elect? are there still land mines ahead for him? >> no, i think this is going to be a full and complete resolution of the trump university matter. the interesting thing, pam, when i was looking into this case, is that he has so many pending lawsuits by even conservative accounts, there are at least a couple dozen relatively serious cases pending. now, will the plaintiffs in those cases be em boenlded to be more aggressive and force him into a courtroom? you can imagine the president of the united states being pulled into two dozen lawsuits. it would be unprecedented in american history. prior to trump assuming office, only three presidents had ever been called into court or potentially called into court on very minor cases. and he's got more than two dozen pending cases. >> fascinating. >> the supreme court may have to look at this again to see whether the commander in chief has to go and answer in court to
these cases. >> and it's interesting because trump has said that he doesn't like to settle because it could lead to more lawsuits and that kind of thing. so, drew, back to you, it may be a false equivalents but hillary clinton, but so far not much concern over donald trump and his business ties. should they be investigating into this? >> you're delving into the political pundit field which i'm not a part of but the clinton state department, that involved u.s. federal government business. at least that's what the republicans were alleging, which is why they would have some reach as far as congressional oversight. but, you know, trump university teaching seminars across the country on weekends to private companies and private citizens who sued him, i don't really
see -- paul could have more to say, i don't see where congress finds an avenue to investigate. >> no, they don't. well, i don't think they do, but here's what i find to be the most interesting thing about trump and lawsuits. if trump were, say, a car manufacturer and he sold cars, well, he could become independent of his car company and the car company could be managed by somebody else and life would go on. what does trump sell? trump sells the trump name so even if he becomes independent, even if he says, i'm going to have nothing to do with the business, the business is selling the trump name. what he does as president will enhance or detract from the trump brand. never in american history have we confronted such a situation. so, unless he gives up the trump brand completely and says, don't sell it anymore and puts his kids out of business, there's going to be a problem that's going to recur throughout the trump presidency. >> and there are already a lot of questions about conflicts of interest, that kind of thing. a lot of work to be done on that
front. drew and paul, thank you very much. do appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, the trump transition team says the next first lady will be staying at trump tower at least for a few months. why melania trump and her son barron are delaying their white house move and what that means for her new responsibilities.
well, donald trump confirmed he will move into the white house immediately after taking office, but his wife, melania and their 10-year-old son, barron, will not be making the transition until after barron is out of school for the year. how will the future first lady manage the east wing from afar? joining me to discuss, kate anderson brower, historian of first ladies and author of "first women: the grace and power of america's first ladies." thanks for coming on. is this unprecedented, has it ever happened before? >> it's happened twice before. martha washington, of course, didn't live in the white house because it wasn't built yut and president harrison's wife didn't move into the white house because he died shortly after being elected. it's unprecedented in modern
history, absolutely. it's surprising to see, but she has talked a lot about being, you know, her sole world being raising barron, his father is away a lot. it's interesting to me that they left it open-ended, whether or not, you know, next year they'll put him in a private school here in d.c. i thought it was interesting the way donald trump phrased it yesterday, where it was really an open question. just seeing it through this semester . >> because when you look at past first families, with malia and sasha obama, the clinton children, they all came into the white house right away, right? >> right. with the obama children they were very young, 7 and 10, respectively, and then you had a very young chelsea clinton come in. so it's really been protocol to have them move into washington. and with sasha, obama, they brought in her mother who lived on the third floor of the white
house. i think that's something melania should consider, whether or not her parents live with them in new york, if they should bring them in for normalcy. it's worked for past parents. >> when you think about the entire east wing dedicated to the first lady, what will happen to that in the meantime? how does mrs. trump carry out her agenda and duties as first lady from afar? >> i talked to a staffer who worked for laura bush and the first lady. they said it is unpress deceden but it can happen. you still have a social secretary who will plan events, she'll still have a chief of staff and an events coordinator. that's what melania needs, to have these key people around her. it's not as though the staff can only operate with the first lady physically there. technology has made it possible to do a lot of things from a satellite. but i think overall it's more
the appearance of recognizing and understanding the great privilege of living in the white house, and i think she will come to washington for state dinners and be a visible presence here. >> and it makes you wonder if trump will then be going to new york when he's president to visit his wife and his son. that and i imagine that is a sort of security nightmare, if you will, for new york and secret service. i mean, that's unprecedented, too, i would imagine. >> it is. i think it's really interesting, because a lot of first ladies in history say their happiest memories are in the white house with their husbands because they get to see them more than ever before. jackie kennedy said this, michelle obama has joked about that. you're living above the store, essentially. on the campaign they barely get to see their husbands and that would definitely be true for donald trump and melania. you would think they would want to spend as much time as possible, and i think they'll find it's much easier if they're both living together in the white house rather than traveling back and forth every
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pope francis is once again paving wait for a more merciful, welcome and go for giving church. he has indefinitely granted the priests to grant excuses for abortion. the pope made this request today as the year of mercy ended. he says, abortion is a grave sin, since it puts an end to an innocent life. in the same way, however, i can
and must state that there is no cynthia god's mercy cannot reach and wipe away when it finds a repentant heart seeking to be reconciled with the holy father. >> we've just ended this year of mercy, and the pope has said, you know what? we can't just put mercy into a year, we have to extend it. so he granted priests to be able to absolve abortion just for that year, and he said, no, it's going to be everywhere for all time. it's just kind of widening the circle more and more. and again, he's living up to this barrier breaker pope. >> and for those who don't know a lot about the catholic faith, what does this mean for catholic women who have had an abortion? >> well, in this country, priests could always forgive abortion because bishops allowed them to in certain diocese, and then they were automatically
excommunicated if they had ana borg -- an abortion. now a priest can say, no, you're not excommunicated, please come back to the church. we want to get everybody into this big tent, and this is a pope who continues to try to break the barriers. we've seen it with other groups, and now certainly it's happening now more with women and this particular issue. you know, as a minister in the church as a priest, i have a lot of women who come to me in confession, confessing abortions. there is a lot of pain, a lot of guilt, a lot of feeling on the outside like they don't belong, that they've done something unforgivable. this pope is saying, look, everything can be forgiven. nothing is beyond the purview of the mercy of god. >> and i'm curious, how is this edict from pope francis different from what pope john paul ii did in the previous holy year in 2000? >> well, it differs because now in all diocese throughout the
world, priests can now forgive abortion. in other words, it used to be reserved for bishops if someone was excommunicated because they had an abortion. the bishop was the only one who could bring them back into the fold. the pope has now said all over the world, no matter the diocese, priests can now do that. it makes it acceptable. how many people are going to make an appointment with the bishop or go through the bishop to have a sin excused and brought back into the fold? this way they go to the priest, they express repentanceo or remorse and they're brought back into the fold. >> and this goes to groups like gays and lesbians as well, divorced couples, that message of mercy for those groups. father, thank you very much. appreciate having you on.
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